Obama - Tačno vreme rođenja 9h45 AM.....?

May 03, 2011 General by Nikola

Pre od prilike nedelju dana, na jednom Američkom forumu (koji se ne bavi Astrologijom) naiđem na podatak da američki predsednik Barak Obama nije rođen u 19h24min. kako mu stoji u "zvaničnoj krštenici" već u 9h45min. ujutro. Zvanični podaci kažu da je rođen u saveznoj državi Hawaii, gradu Honolulu 4.Avgusta 1961.

Pogledajte tu novu kartu, ima smisla.....I uporedite je sa horoskopom  njegove države SAD...


+2 #38 kovacev 2011-05-31 18:59
A sta ako doticni gospodin nije rodjen na Havajima kako su zvanicno objavili, jer u tom slucaju ne bi mogao da bude predsednik SADa. Nego je recimo rodjen u rodnom mestu svoga oca u Africi??? Pozdrav
+2 #37 Nikola 2011-05-26 21:14
Linda Santucci

Gearing up for Campaign 2012--watch for Internet censoring! Already, Borders Book Store is telling the lie, that Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?" has been pulled from the shelves by the PUBLISHER!
0 #36 2011-05-17 11:06
0 #35 2011-05-17 10:34
Tacno vreme rodjenja 19:24
0 #34 Nikola 2011-05-11 01:15
Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship
Said it lacked documents to determine birth country
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Posted: May 09, 2011
7:59 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
Editor's note: Jerome Corsi's "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President" is available today for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, exclusively by the WND Superstore.

The U.S. government is on record questioning President Obama's citizenship status as early as when he was 5 years old, stating it lacked documentation to determine his citizenship, WND has learned.
The citizenship inquiry dated back to 1966, when Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was attempting to secure a waiver so her second husband, Indonesian citizen Lolo Soetoro, could return to the country after his visa had expired.

Dunham separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the future president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have divorced in 1964.

Jerome Corsi's new book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?," is now available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore.

In 1965 in Hawaii, Dunham married Soetoro, an Indonesian, and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.

Soetoro had been studying at the University of Hawaii as part of a State Department-initiated student exchange program.

Soetoro's student visa had been sponsored by the University of Hawaii's Center for Cultural and Technical Interchange between East and West. The program enforced strict visa limitations, requiring foreign students to return to their home countries after two years.

According to U.S. immigration files obtained and reviewed by WND, Soetoro was approved for a 21-month study grant beginning Sept. 1, 1962, at the East-West Center.

A memorandum from the center dated July 7, 1965, relates how Soetoro had his Class J visa briefly extended after he married Dunham due to a claimed illness on the part of Dunham. His visa had been set to expire June 15, 1964.
"He gave his wife's illness as the reason for his visa extension request," stated the center's memo.

The memo said Soetoro claimed Dunham had been "suffering from a stomach ailment which may, according to her physician, require surgery."
"When I pressed Mr. Soetoro for more information regarding the name of the physician, etc., he claimed that he could not remember exactly," continued the memo, signed by Robert Wooster of the University of Hawaii's exchange program.

Further notes from the exchange program that year related how Soetoro worked at the time for Hawaii-Pacific Engineers Surveyors.

An additional memorandum, from July 13, 1965, advised that Soetoro no longer was associated with the East-West Center, and that the University of Hawaii exchange program could not further help him renew his U.S. visa.
Soetoro had turned to the center to make a special exception in his case and to hold his return travel for another year, or until June 22, 1966.
"I gather that he intends to make every attempt to remain indefinitely with or without East-West Center approval although his manner throughout our interview was polite and cordial," stated a memo from the center.
The memo, from Robert Zumwinkle, executive director of the East-West Center's Institute for Student Interchange, relates how the program received a special cable from the Indonesian government that Soetoro, a civilian employee of the Indonesian army, must "immediately terminate his studies and return to Djakarta, Indonesia."

Soetoro apparently was expected to devote four years of service to the Indonesian government in return for its subsidizing geography studies at the country's Gadjah Mada University, as well as for his participation in the student exchange program.

The memo made clear the East-West Center would not help Soetoro extend his U.S. visa.

It complained Soetoro did not comply with its previous instructions to return to Indonesia at the end of his studies.

Soetoro departed the U.S. for Indonesia on June 20, 1966. Once back in his home country, Soetoro attempted to secure a waiver from the U.S. immigration authorities for his immediate return to Hawaii, according to immigration files reviewed by WND.

Dunham and Soetoro both filed petitions with U.S. Immigration in hopes of persuading the American government to grant a waiver allowing Soetoro to return.

The petitions claimed Dunham would suffer undue "psychological hardship" because of Soetoro's departure.
Some petitions referenced hardship that may be suffered by Obama, then aged 5.
In a Nov. 22, 1966, interview with Robert Schultz, immigrant inspector in Honolulu, Dunham talked about financial hardships for her son.

"I buy personal things for my 5-year-old boy. I also pay $50.00 a month for a babysitter from 2:30 to 5:00 p.m," she wrote, referring to Obama.

That petition was denied, with immigration authorities determining that according to remarks from her own interview, Dunham made enough money to support both herself and her son.
A document to the Assistant Region Commission Travel Control in Honolulu from December 1966 specifically stated, "It was also determined that the applicant's spouse is now employed and can adequately maintain both herself and her 5-year-old child by a former marriage."

Facing repeated denials, Dunham decided she would apply for a visa to Indonesia to live with Soetoro.
'Nothing on file' to document Obama’s citizenship

Before that, immigration authorities exchanged queries about Obama, with one noting questions about Obama's citizenship.

One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.

Benson's query stated, "There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse's son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant's child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a)."

The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a "child" as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a "stepchild," whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the "age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred."

A response to Benson's inquiry came from one "W.L. Mix" of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: "Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants' spouse's child by a former marriage."

"The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants' spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant's step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child's mother on March 5, 1965."

The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
With research by Brenda J. Elliott

Read more: Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship http://www.wnd.com
0 #33 vajner 2011-05-08 16:13
Koliko sam upućen u javnosti je sumnja za mesto rođenja a ne za vreme.
Pretpostavimo da je rođen u 9:45am, VI polje je u znaku Riba a vladar Neptun u kvadratu sa konjunkcijom Jupitera (suvladar VI polja) i Saturna iz IV polja (genetika, nasleđe) što upućuje na ono što si meni osporavao, psihičke probleme i depresiju. Tome u prilog ide i činjenica da se deo VI proteže i na znaka Ovna a vladar Mars je u XII polju (psiha, hospitalizacija , izolacija) u znaku Device (akutne bolesti).
-1 #32 vajner 2011-05-08 08:54
Zar taj aspekt ne daje srčane (Sunce) probleme kod pušača (Neptun), a Obama je strastveni pušač cigareta...Pogotovo je to naglašeno, jer se po zvaničnom vremenu rođenja Sunce nalazi u 6.polju, polju zdravlja...?

Da, na to sam mislio kada sam u postu #21 napisao da "Sunce na 12° Lava iz VI polja u kvadratu sa Neptunom na 8° Škorpije više ukazuje na skrivene probleme srca opasne po život". Mislim da to odgovara istini obzirom da je aktivan pušač. Merkur u VI polju u Lavu u konjunkciji sa Suncem i u kvadratu sa Neptunom može ukazivati na probleme sa plućima (Merkur) usled pušenja (Neptun) što vodi do akutnih (VI polje) problema sa srcem (Lav, Sunce) a i Uran, vladar Asc (predispozicije ) u Lavu u inkonjunkciji sa suvladarom Saturnom može upućivati na nagle promene pritiska usled lošije cirkulacije u krvnim sudovima.
+4 #31 Nikola 2011-05-07 23:26
Vajner, po tebi ako je dispozitor Dobra Planeta - sve je OK , nema nikakvih problema...???

A gde su aspekti dispozitora - ako je Dispozitor tako važan...Zar aspekti nisu važni ?

Zar se ne gleda i u kom polju je taj Dispozitor (stepene i da ne pominjem)..?

Po zvaničnom vremenu, Obamino Sunce (Dispozitor) je u 6.polju, polju zdravlja, na 12. stepenu (stepen Riba) u kvadratu sa Neptunom :
- pa zar taj aspekt ne bi dao psihičke probleme (ako to ne daje, šta to u Astrologiji daje...?)

Zar taj aspekt ne daje srčane (Sunce) probleme kod pušača (Neptun), a Obama je strastveni pušač cigareta...Pogotovo je to naglašeno, jer se po zvaničnom vremenu rođenja Sunce nalazi u 6.polju, polju zdravlja...?

Još davno, davno iz knjiga i tekstova Gorana Milekića naučih da je najvažniji Vladar Ascendenta (što je je praksa milion puta i potvrdila), a ne taj "dispozitor"...
-3 #30 vajner 2011-05-06 21:16
Takođe, ne može dispozitor da ima jači uticaj od samih planeta u određenom polju, određenom aspektu, određenom stepenu....

Konačni dispozitor je planeta koja suštinski vlada celim horoskopom. U horoskopu Obame je to Sunce, najznačajnije telo našeg sistema a samim tim i astrologije, po kome se definiše osnovna pripadnost određenom sazvežđu, i kad je to telo, u ovom slučaju Sunce, onda ono direktno ili indirektno upravlja svim drugim telima i po značaju daleko ih nadmašuje. Dakle, ostala tela nisu bez značaja već konačan dispozitor ima dominantan položaj. Kako su i Merkur i Uran u znaku Lava to su oni i pod uticajem Sunca kao vladara tog znaka a kako je Uran vladar Asc to se njegov značaj u smislu njegove definisanosti umanjuje a Sunca kao konačnog dispozitora naglašava. Obama je dominantna osoba sa puno dostojanstva, lider u pravom smislu te reči što se upravo i vidi iz pozicije Sunca kao najznačajnijeg tela njegovog horoskopa.
0 #29 vajner 2011-05-06 15:34
Po tebi, Blizanci kojim vlada Merkur su Nervozniji od osoba pod uticajem Vodolija ???

Naglašeni Merkur i znak Blizanaca daju nestalnost i veliku mentalnu dinamiku gde mozak neprestano radi često na gornjoj granici a nervi su radi toga prenapregnuti.
Ovo je moje generalno mišljenje o tome a konkretno sve treba proceniti na konkretnom horoskopu.